Response to pro pool letters in the MVN

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realoldtimer wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:51 am Great Response, Chris

Should be a Letter to the Editor so the folks that don't visit here can read it.
I cleaned up the senior discount language with help from a friend, sent it in to the MVN but from what I saw in the online version of the paper, it didn't get published. Unfortunately that means that Marisa's misinformation about the MPD Aquatic Center's monetary impact on seniors and other low income people goes unchallenged.

There was a killer whales swim team letter from a grateful parent of a 10-year-old who participated for the first time. I'm glad the Wagner pool was there so this child could play fun and games with his friends. This shows that the Wagner pool is fully functional and continues to be a good resource for the community. Lets make sure that the Wagner pool continues to operate.

Here is the part that was Rewritten for clarification.

"The Metropolitan Park District that FOP is proposing, for property tax purposes will be considered a "regular levy" same as EMS, Fire etc. The three tier senior exemption varies according to income, but depending on the senior’s income, the exemption from “regular levy” items either doesn’t apply or is only reduced on the first $60,000 of assessed value. All seniors and disabled people, including low income seniors receiving limited property tax relief from this program would be paying for the perpetual annual pool levy."
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Used subject to make Newsletter 5...

Marisa's LTE and added Chris's response to counter it...

https://chewack.com/nopooltaxes/newsletters/
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Yes, the FOP facebook site did change that racist remark but didn't apologize for writing it. I find their whole approach comes from a place of entitlement.

Marisa unfortunately is just believing what the FOP is telling her without using critical thinking skills to examine the facts.

I know one senior who will be paying an extra $1300 a year in taxes, some of which most likely passed on to his renter. He is above the income threshold for receiving a senior tax reduction which I believe is now capped at $40,000.

At 70 years old he has a medical condition that prevents him from swimming in a public swimming pool, so zero benefit for him.

Those who do qualify for a senior or disability exemption can defer paying any remaining tax they owe after the tax deduction is calculated. However that amount becomes a lien on the property and accures interest payable to the State after the owner dies or the property is sold.

So if a low income senior or disabled person on this program needs to go into nursing home or Assisted Living care they would need to sell their home to fund that. However the State will take their deferred property tax money with interest and the low income person will have to make do with any remaining amount.

The FOP is really misleading people like Marisa into believing that their money and power grab will benefit low income people and won't hurt them. But the facts say otherwise.

I don't blame her for wanting to offer her trust in people. I hope she visits a nursing care facility where low income people wind up for lack of money.


"Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons
The state Constitution authorizes the Legislature to grant to retired property owners relief from the property tax on their principal residence. Current law authorizes property tax relief on the
principal residences of senior citizens and persons retired by reason of disability if they meet certain income requirements. In addition, these qualifying taxpayers may defer any remaining property taxes and special benefit assessments on the residence. Amounts deferred may
accumulate up to 80 percent of the homeowner's equity. Amounts deferred become a lien on the
property in favor of the state. Upon death or eventual sale of the property, the full amount of deferred taxes is due along with interest"

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Fantastic. Letter to the editor would be good. 350 word limit. Due date by Mon. noon.
Ah heck, she says our taxes are going to go up anyway, what's a couple hundred more?
The suppporters writing these things, like the racial slur one, and other misinformation, need to take a hard look at what they are saying. We are not a bunch of country bumpkins, that don't realize that using "colored people and low income people in the community" was really thoughtless. We know how to use language and whoever is writing on their site does not. Like, minutiae. Trivializing what we are saying.
They did change the language of the original racial slur at least.
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Re: Response to pro pool letters the MVN editor

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Great Response, Chris

Should be a Letter to the Editor so the folks that don't visit here can read it.
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https://methowvalleynews.com/2023/07/27 ... y-26-2023/

"I also hear the concern folks express about how a couple hundred dollars a year increase in property taxes will affect our lowest income community members and seniors. Thankfully our neighbors who own their property and are low-income or senior citizens qualify for property tax exemptions and the pool levy would not affect them. In fact, 189 Methow Valley households already utilize these exemptions."Marisa Monteverde"



Marisa,

You have to realise that the creation of a non-voter accountable, very powerful Metropolitan Parks District is not the only alternative to replacing the Wagner pool.

I wrote this following in a response to a thread here concerning decreasing Social Security benefits and it's effects on low income seniors along with increased taxes and cost of living.

"Those folks pushing their dream mega spa complex justify taking money from the low income families by saying something like 189 families (have to check that #) in the Methow are receiving a senior tax property tax exemption.

There are three levels of Senior tax exemptions based on income level, however none forgive all of the property taxes. Also many low income community members don't receive any kind of property tax break.

With the property values going up those taxes also go up. So the FOP is still proposing to take money from those who can least afford it no matter how they try to spin it.

It's stressful getting old (I'm 68) and or living pay check to pay check. Money concerns are one of those stressors.

I would argue that the FOP board members, some of whom are extremely wealthy, are proposing a tax " taking" plan that is currently detrimental to the health and well-being of the seniors around here as stress from this issue does its damage.

Taking money from the poor to fund your dream Leisure activity is also modeling poor behavior to children."

I would add that after receiving the latest increase in property value assessments, this added luxury pool tax will add around $870 to my property taxes at the .75 per thousand rate. Way more than the $200 per year that you stated. My Social Security is less than $600 per month. You do the math.

Also realize that this levy could cost more money if 60% of the voters approve to raise the levy cap above the current .75 per $1000 of assessed property value.

As stated above, a senior property tax exemption does not completely eliminate property tax liabilities for seniors.That program only reduces property taxes. So you are mistaken when you said "the pool levy would not affect them". That is what the FOP wants you to believe, but that simply isn't true.

The fact is, a luxury pool levy will be taking much needed income away from seniors and other low income families here. Many do not qualify for that tax exemption if they're not seniors. If a seniors income is above the threshold for senior tax exemption program, no tax reduction..

Again to be perfectly clear, the senior program only lowers taxes, it does not eliminate them. Check with the county Assessor's Office for the facts if you don't believe me.

Let me give you an example how important money is to a senior citizen. During the last 6 months of my father's life here in the valley, he needed 24 hour care. We did not want to put my Dad in a nursing home, instead preferring that he lived out the rest of his life in his own home. His income was just above the $35,000 threshold to receive a senior property tax exemption (reduction). With a $12,000 per year home mortgage, that didn't leave much money for other critical needs.

We needed to hire home health care help to supplement the care we provided. He needed every penny of his Social Security income and retirement pension in order to survive. And that's just to live in his own home and stay alive. That's how critical money is to a senior citizen.

That is just one example of how this luxury pool tax will be affecting low income people. Food insecurity is another i.e. being forced to buy lower quality food, to save money, which of course affects a persons health.

Please don't be Hoodwinked by the FOP Spin. A no vote does not put an end to a new pool here, as you have been misinformed, and does severely affect low income people.

And lets face it, this mega pool spa proposal is really to support the tourism industry here as ever more of our tax money is spent building more and more Disneyland rides.

At this stage of our seniors lives, money is truly our lifeblood. Disneyland can exist other places.

Chris,
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